2010 Trek 6300 Review

 

2010 Trek 6300 ewhiterootbeer.jpg
The Official photo from Trek, there are two major differences, the fork is 120mm,the dropouts have a hole, but my bike came with 10mm fork and no hole in the dropout.

I got this bike for my birthday August 2011 & I have used it ever since, but less over the past few years, due to getting the 2014 Fuel Ex 29er, I needed A full suspension bike due to my back issues, but it had its shortcomings, but I kept the 6300 in pretty good shape & slowly upgrading it, but I do not ride any difficult terrain with it.

The frame Is 18.5.

Albums: https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=6300&user_id=69376314%40N07&album_search=1&view_all=1

Current Spec:

Album: https://flic.kr/s/aHskyTmB5c

current weight of the bike is about 11.90 kg with current setup, as seen in the top pictures, So it’s pretty light.

I swapped over the cockpit form the Fuel ex, including brakes, the M6300 brakes have perfect shape for my fingers and are gentle on my finger, unlike TRP Spyke which fatigues my finger after hours of riding.

The Renthal Apex Stem is great, holds on to the bar securely for a long time, My Dream build will definitely have it.

The Hope Pro 4 Enduro 26er, wheels are lighter,stiffer,stronger, and have much better engagement, but not the best engagement n the market, but good enough to not feel awkward.

The onnly forks I could find that would fit this bike were 100mm Recon gold, it was a fast fix, but I am interesting in the MRP forks, a 120mm fork would improve the handling of this bike a lot, this bike can handle it, so far it’s the are some gripes with the current set up significant complaint, but a dropper post would also be nice.I run 90PSI in the fork, the fork has enough mid stroke support & enough bottom out support for me, but it has horrible tyre clearance, no mudguards will fit with 2.3 tyres, you will have to go down to 2.1.

The bike started out with horrible components, but over time I learned more & found more components, and the bike is reliable now.

I will keep the TRP Spyke as Spares In case the hydraulic Shimano brakes fail.

The main use of this bike the past years has been grocery shopping, and gentle rides.

Oval Chain ring from Absolute black, reduced knee pain, have smoother pedal stroke, I can last much longer without knee pain and fatigue.

I could get Knee pain & fatigue after just 1-2 hours, if I rode hard, but now I can last for several hours.

Cane Creek Preload Collar

The collar was a great upgrade, it stays in place, and spins easy so it’s easy to adjust the preload,The bolt stays in place, so it’s secure.

Chris King Thread Fit bb, runs smooth but it has drag, but I don’t mind it if it will last me a long time, which the reputation suggest.

 

 

 

E thirteen ISCG adapter, Absolute black Oval Chain ring,73mmbb.

The chain was rubbing in the lowest gears with the MRP chain guide installed, but installing the Absolute black chain guide which has adjustable guide was an improvement, but there was still rub.

the absolute black chainring is offset by 3mm, this is causing the to rub on the inner guide plate when in lower gears, but also causes the chain to catch the second smallest cog, and slap back down, if back-pedalling not that you would do that, but if there is enough chain slap the chain this could still happen when pedalling forward, which I noticed few times, The Box One rear dérailleur’s clutch spring was very firm in the start, but it wore out quite fast, it became quite light, the shifting became much easier on my thumb, but the chain slap increased, that’s probably why I noticed the noisy banging noise from the chain catching the second last cog.

Silky smooth Chris King Inset 1

 

Enough clearance for 2.3 tyres,but it would ben ice with more clearance, for studded 2.3 tyres, but 2.1 studded tyres will fit.
because the original fork was trouble, I bought this fork, the shop installed it, it was a easy fix,but it eventually developed play, probably needs new bushings, but I had to get a fast fix so I bought the Rock Shox Recon gold, which doesn’t have has as good clearance, the Corsa fork has good clearance for both mudguard & 2.3 tyre, which the Rock Shox fork does not have, I also swapped over bars so I ended up with no bars fro this bike I had to get new bar, onlky thign I foudn at the time was this Race Face Turbine bar, but later I swapped for 800mm bars from the Trek Ffuel ex I originally bought for, eventually I swapped over the whole cockpit including Renthal Apex stem. The Fuel Ex is going to a bike shop and Trek will look at it,But I plan on new bike build at some point, So I kept this bike going.

 

 

https://www.sweetpetes.com/images/library/large/avd_j3_11_m.jpg The Avid Juicy 3 brakes were ok for a while, but they eventually wore out after few years, the lever was slow to return, the return spring for the lever wore out, which is not surprising, quite normal for springs to wear out, but my local shop could not fix it, the I pressed the lever but the braking power was not there,  it was useless, Mabbe the calipers were leaking I don’t know it was years ago, but the master cylinder was well sealed, there were no failed threads or loose bolts, but the lever blade developed play.

So it was later replaced with Shimano M615, which had a better lever feel, but they also failed eventually, so I got M6000 under warranty.

After 7 years of use( 4 regular rest not as often)
I failed under truing with hanger tool, I only did it few times before, But the last time I noticed something that looked like a crack, and it felt too soft, But it eventually got bigger.

 

 

 

 

 

because the original fork was trouble, I bought this fork, the shop installed it, it was a easy fix,but it eventually developed play, probably needs new bushings, but I had to get a fast fix so I bought the Rock Shox Recon gold, which doesn’t have has as good clearance, the Corsa fork has good clearance for both mudguard & 2.3 tyre, which the Rock Shox fork does not have, I also swapped over bars so I ended up with no bars fro this bike I had to get new bar, onlky thign I foudn at the time was this Race Face Turbine bar, but later I swapped for 800mm bars from the Trek Ffuel ex I originally bought for, eventually I swapped over the whole cockpit including Renthal Apex stem. The Fuel Ex is going to a bike shop and Trek will look at it,But I plan on new bike build at some point, So I kept this bike going.

Handling:

The rear end is very easy to throw around, due to the short chain stay and the bike is very easy to initiate/start a wheelie, but with 100mm fork the steering suffers.

the steep head angle & short wheelbase makes the bike harder to do precise riding like skinnies, but it makes the bike easier to initiate a do endo turn, spinning the bike around the fork.

if I let go of the handlebar and roll the bike turn in both directions, I struggle to steer it without holding the bars, it requires some practise to do so, but I can can ride horrible bikes with horrible characteristics and still do most of the things I do with a better bike, but of course I notices the shortcomings of them, including this bike, but a longer travel fork would improve the steering and make the bike more balanced by increasing the wheelbase.

Pros

  • good chain wear, the chain wears slowly, unlike with 2014 Trek Fuel EX 7 29, I am quite sure it’s due to the stiffer frame, less twisting and movement, also the hanger does not get bent as fast, it can go for a really long time, several months or mabye longer, I rarely hit RD hangers, so it stays true for a long time, but with the Fuel Ex it bent very often, but I sent it to a shop for trek to look at I hope they sort it out for me.
  • The frame is stiff enough for me, I am somewhere between 75 & 80g, I don’t have any issues with tyre rub or frame flex, but if you mess up or push really hard while pedalling in a brutal way it’s possible, but if you I don’t do that which I don’t do normally, but I did that just to test what happen, so I am quite satisfied with the performance of this frame.The frame has even flex on both sides,at least very similar.

 

  • The welds are also good.
  • Bontrager SSR, 31.6mm, 20mm offse, I had no issues with the seat post, but the adjust jaw result in less adjusta bility of the angle.The logo wore out quite fast, and the black paint became discoloured.

Cons:

  • The Bontrager Rangers wheels, had weak spoke nipples which rounded off when truing the wheels, and when hit by rocks & Shimano m475 hubs was horrible, it had awful engagement, a huge dead zone, which was very noticeable, the freehub lasted about 1 season in the beginning when I was younger, but now as I am a lot heavier they wobble and causes shifting issues due to wobble, and only 3 trips and the axle bent, this was the case on all the the hubs, not only this wheelset.
  • The Bontrager Ranger wheels were heavy, the main reason is the Shimano
  • The plastic part eventually got quite slack and was hitting the frame & wearign hte paint off.
  • Came with 100mm fork not with 120 as official picture shows.
  • The cockpit was not good enough, too long stem, too narrow bars, the original bars were Bontrager Lowriser 650mm 9deg bend 31.8mm dia 6061-T6 alum, I did not have any issues with them, they took some crashes, they did not bend.

Flickr album: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmpHFYab

Now as I am a adult, I need 800mm bars.

 

The original stem
  • Bontrager Race saddle was a good fit for me, but it failed fast,  screws flew off, and the plastic plate loosened, and the saddle was useless, I don’t remember exactly how fast that happen, some months or maybe a year I don’t remember, but quite fast.
  • Bontrager Jones XR tyres were fast rolling but they lacked grip for the type of riding I did.
  • The paint is quite fragile, the paint falling off the was fro ma crowing on gravel many years ago.

 

  • The only problems with the frame I had was when installing Chris King headset, the frame did not match Chris King’s precision, So I had to use a hammer to make it go in straight then use the bearing press, It sits flush now, but the head tube is not completely flush at the bottom towards the down tube, there is a small gap just there. The original Cane Creek headset was very easy to remove,it does not sit there as tight, the tolerances are different, with Chris King it’s tight, the Chris King headset was a great upgrade, it’s smooth and even turning all the way.
The original VP-A42E, 1-1/8″ semi-integratedheadset from Cane Creek, I can clearly see there is a gap & the bottom of the head tube is not 100% flush.

Original headset removed.

The head tube after removing the original headset.
The original worn out noisy uneven turning headset, new bearings did not help, it was time to for an upgrade, I could go on of a while but I rather have a reliable solution, So I went With Chris King.

 

 

https://archive.trekbikes.com/no/no/2010/trek/6300e#/no/no/2010/trek/6300e/details

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Short term review: Rock Shox Recon Gold TK Solo Air OneLoc 26″ Fork 100mm Straight 9QR

uncut weight

 

Bad experiences:

First time I received the forks one of them was soaked in oil & grease and the seals were had popped of under transport.

one of the forks had seals that were way too easy to remove and press, I could press them back in and remove them with my fingers, clearly not up to specifications.

The fork was Also leaking air, and had horrible knocking sound coming from the rebound side.

But I returned the forks and they got rebuilt by Rock Shox, after that they performed how they should, no seal issues.

 

This fork was just a fast & easy solution, I just need to have a bike to ride, so I had to buy a fork, I did not know about any service centres that serviced Marzocchi forks, Which I had at the time.

 

Pros:

  • Not crazy heavy, the alloy steerer & magnesium lowers results in a decent weight.

Cons:

  • the lockout is reversed so it’s not unlocked by default as on previous forks, which is stupid., combined with the Rockshox OneLoc remote it’s even crazier, the fork would unlock due to vibrations & due to the flimsy remote.

The Poploc was is much more reliable, the same goes for the Marzocchi & SR Suntour remotes, but none of them has a hinged clamp.

  • The bad tyre Clearance:

You can’t use a mudguard with 2.3 tyres, 2.4 tyres will rub.

2.1 Suomi Studded tyres & Mudhugger FR mudguard, got enough clearance.

Setting:

110PSI

Rebound to max

ca 75kg

 

Some of the best Kids/small person MTB bikes November 2016

Note that this article is work in progress, at least now you know some more brands or bikes.

These bikes are in no particular order.

If any of you have found more bikes or child specific stuff, be so kind to comment below to share with us.

I have no experience with these bikes, So I will say my opinion, and my experiences with the components used,I will not decide for you.

This article will be update when I find more good bikes
order and title of article might change but I publish this right ow so you can see it, sorry if there are mistakes and typos.

there are few kids bike brands that make good bikes for kids,and there are even fewer adult bike brands that make kids good kids bikes,and there are not many kids brand that make good kids bikes for 24 and 20 inch wheel size.

Some facts:

Kids should have as safe,light,strong,and as well performing bikes as adults.

for the kids to enjoy riding the bikes for a long time the bikes must be light.

Fit is very important,Adjustable reach for brake levers, right crank arm length,saddle that fit kids,I have seen kids riding on saddles that are painful to sit on,the shape of the saddle the length of the saddle the height/depth of it,Its all very important,a flexible saddle is a must In my opinion for optimal comfort.

When you want to buy a bike please ignore the silly marketing tricks, like using using A celebrity or pro riders name, or a company’s name..

this is a good example of what I mean: Hyper Cam Zink Edition is a good example:http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Hyper-Cam-Zink-Edition-Now-Available-at-Walmart.html

I see many kids got awful bikes, and jump and ride downstairs jump off walls, and they do it on awful and dangerous bikes. the kids I saw ridden like Seth does in this video.

Shame so many kids ride on bikes that is junk,and they don’t know how dangerous it is,and the parents got no clue.

but in this guide I will show some the best kids bike I have found on the internet.(custom builds only commercial products will be listed here)

In my opinion bikes like these should be illegal to sell, but sadly they are not.

And then there are the fake dirt jump bikes that are marketed as bikes that can withstand abuse. which they can’t do at all, bikes with Sr Suntour xct and xcm forks,the plastic adjustment, pops out, flexing, knocking sounds, or almost no rebound, depending on the model.

Some bikes have warning stickers on that say the opposite of what the ad say.

I see many kids got awful bikes, and jump and ride downstairs jump off walls, and they do it on awful and dangerous bikes. the kids I saw ridden like Seth does in this video.

If you are a beginner and want to do advanced riding I you need to subscribe to this channel.

Most of the worldwide big bicycles brands, only make cheap awful bikes for the kids, or really basic hardtails.

Many of the Kids MTB guides, are misleading, many of the bikes got awful components.

Many of the kids bikes I have seen are absolutely awful junk.

Almost everything is wrong with these 100 dollar bikes.

Just some of the things that are wrong with them:

  • they are very heavy,a too heavy bike can be dangerous, the bike was glued to the ground I could no jump it.
  • suspension that does not do the job,the most common fork on these cheap bikes are ZOOM.
  • mechanical disk brakes that are hard to brake with for kids.
  • saddles that is torture to sit on.
  • tyres with no grip

Example of kids bikes that are marketed as mountain bikes, but they are to they are garbage, they are not made for Drop-Offs and jumps, and shredding in the woods.

http://images.biltema.com/PAXToImageService.svc/article/xlarge/271353
this is junk 14 KG for a kids bike is  stupid.

There are many choices on the market right now,

but If you want the best speed bike without spending too much I recommend buying from Direct Sale brands.
This video shows me jumping a 24 inch fat bike that is way too heavy:

The List:

Here are some real mountain bikes for kids. all from XC to freeride,downhill

https://ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb14523231/p4pb14523231.jpg

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/nicolai-mojo-to-produce-geometron-kids-bikes-2017.html

modern geometry, long reach,long chain stays, long wheelbase, stable.

 

Lil Shredder Prodigy
http://lilshredder.com/

freeride,downhill,trail

Lil Shredder Phenom
24″ WheelsRace face narrow wide ring make sure the chain stays on.(unless you pedal at extreme speed oride down 40-50 degrees steep strairs) so A chain guide would be nice.
As you can see, Shimano ZEE RD, which can take a beating,short cage is excellent, specially for kid’s bike so now they get clearance too. http://lilshredder.com/lil-shredder-phenom

http://kaniabikes.eu/

Full suspension 26er trail bikes:

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10 speed 1 by drive trail with shimano Deore shadow plus, and Rock Shox fork  & shock & hydraulic mineral oil disk brakes from shimano. I think this is a nice package,but  a chain guide would be nice

https://i0.wp.com/p.vitalmtb.com/photos/captions/2311/max_Reaper_26_Profile_short.jpg
this model got 11 speed 11 speed Sram drive trail and high end fork.
https://i1.wp.com/www.konaworld.com/images/bike/med/stinky_24.jpg
This kona has a budget is a budget built, but no clutch on the rear derailleur not good,I think the extra you would pay for a clutch is worth it.

https://i2.wp.com/www.transitionbikes.com/images/Bike2016_Main_Ripcord.jpg
Transition Ripcord
http://trek.scene7.com/is/image/TrekBicycleProducts/1530000_2016_A_1_Fuel_EX_Jr?wid=3000&hei=2454&fmt=jpg&qlt=50,1&op_usm=0,0,0,0&iccEmbed=0&cache=on,on&bgc=247,247,247

2016 Trek Fuel EX Jr

$1,889.99
So far this is the only high -end bike for kids from Ttrek.
X-Fusion Performance Suspension is tuned for lighter riders
10×2 setup makes sure that the kid got all the gear range he or she needs. the bike got Deore shifters which are lighter to push than the Deore XT M8000, so shifting should not be an issue for kids, but it would be nice if the bike had 1x drivetrain,  for reduced weight and simplicity. the bike lacks a dropper post, so you will have to get one if you go for this ibke. the adult size bike has issues with hte linkages, the bearings dislocate, chainstays wear out, rocker ink cracks, but I have no experience with the kid’s bike, but it might not be an issue.

http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/bikes/mountain-bikes/trail-mountain-bikes/fuel-ex-jr/fuel-ex-jr/p/1530000-2016
MONDRAKER Factor 24 http://www.mondraker.com/16/eng/bikes/factor-24/500 
https://www.propain-bikes.com/cms_client/cms_image.aspx?path=/upload/PROPAIN_Bicycles_GmbH/Dateien_fuer_Homepage/Bilder_Bikes/Titelbilder/Propain_Yuma_Titel.jpg&size=100&Unit=0&quality=100
Propain Yuma this bike got some decent components
Propain Frechdax   Its a shame they put Acera RD, would be nice with Shimano Zee instead,but if the kid crash a lot and ruin RD’s this is not a issue.
https://www.norco.com/img/bikes/064719-1-full.png
http://www.norco.com/bikes/youth/24-inch/fluid-24/fluid-42/
Shame they did not spec it with clutch Rd instead.Not as well speed as the other bike in this guide,but this is a Store/bike shop bike, so you can expect it to,not many kids bikes come with a dropper post,I think Norco made the right choice wit this bike by doing so. smaller ring that a adult would so the low gear wont be too hard.As most kids wont ride as fast as adults anyway.
https://i1.wp.com/spawncycles.com/media/catalog/product/cache/3/thumbnail/956x525/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/9/3/93232-web_1.pnghttp://spawncycles.com/bikes/spawn-cycles-rokkusuta-24-us
Shimano Zee gives ground clearance.

http://spawncycles.com/bikes/spawn-cycles-rokkusuta-20-us

This bike got no clutch Rd.

Hardtails

Trailcraft Titanium Pineridge 24

http://www.islabikes.co.uk/

16 inch and below:

 

 

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The saddle is in child’s size, 

Cnoc 16 Pro Series Age 4+ / £799.99

 

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Beinn 20 Pro Series
Age 5+ / £999.99
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Creig 26 Pro Series Age 9+ / £1499.99
https://i1.wp.com/kaniabikes.eu/img/PRODUKTE%202016/PYRO_B15_18.jpg
KANIA PYRO X.13 / B.15 / B.18

Dirt jump bikes:

Kotori – 24″

this is a dirt jump bike with decent specs, but it got no front brake so it’s not street legal,at least not in Norway.Fyoutub

 

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https://www.pinkbike.com/news/canyon-launches-range-of-childrens-bikes-2017.html